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[0:44] <plugwash> buiding the debian/raspbian gcc package takes ages, even with the testsuite disabled
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[1:12] <wbill> anyone have a clue as to what i should do to delete user pi and if i do will everything fail?
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[4:46] <wbill> how do i readd the windows list on the menu bar at the top of the raspbian desktop
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[4:47] <lyxus> Hello Folks, I am looking to get my rasberry pi working on a unix OS. I don't need a GUI, is there a reason why to use raspbian or snappy (please no anger, just want to know)
[4:47] <wbill> the one that has the shortcut for term and the wolfram apps
[4:50] <binaryhermit> technically, linux isn't unix :P
[4:50] <binaryhermit> but it's a unix clone, so probably close enough
[4:50] <binaryhermit> IIRC the only unix in current development is OSX
[4:51] * binaryhermit is wrong
[4:52] <binaryhermit> and pedantic
[4:52] <binaryhermit> though there is a distro that's actually unix
[4:53] <lyxus> :)
[4:53] <wbill> anyone know howto add apps to the top bar in rasp?
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[4:54] <binaryhermit> As far as I can tell, the issue is that nobody's bothered to actually take the necessary steps to get most distros certified, as there's very little actual benefit to getting to call your OS Unix in most cases
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[4:55] <wbill> anyone???
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[5:18] <mi11k1> wbill: what top bar?
[5:18] <mi11k1> did you unlock it? are you talking about mate?
[5:18] <wbill> th top bar that when you first load raspbian
[5:19] <mi11k1> umm, i dont actually use raspbian, i use minibian which is a modded raspbian
[5:19] <wbill> it has the term app shortcut and wolfram app shortcuts on it and the web browser shortcut i accidentally removed it
[5:19] <mi11k1> just drag it from the menu
[5:20] <wbill> now the right side apps are smashed into the menu bar on the left side
[5:20] <mi11k1> hold the mouse button for a sec before you start to drag
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[5:20] <mi11k1> what desktop environment? ,sounds like lxde or something
[5:20] <wbill> i did cant drag just goes right back to the menu it came from
[5:21] <mi11k1> then right click the bar
[5:21] <mi11k1> and unlock it
[5:21] <wbill> whatever comes withJessie Raspbian
[5:22] <wbill> no such animal as unlock when i rightclick i removed the whole bar i guess i cant drg shortscuts to the top bar at all
[5:22] <mi11k1> then something elsae must be wrong
[5:22] <mi11k1> it wont just delete the bar i dont think by right clicking
[5:23] <wbill> no i told it to i was trying to get rid of the wolfram app shorts
[5:23] <wbill> i thought it was just for the app itself it took the whole bar away
[5:24] <mi11k1> under system what does it say? i gotta figure out what desktop that is
[5:24] <wbill> under system?
[5:24] <mi11k1> oh, default is lxde i think
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[5:25] <wbill> yea thats what it is if i remember from reading it
[5:25] <mi11k1> i dont like that, try mate
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[5:26] <mi11k1> to mod the bars in lxde theres a window that will let you add and delete stuff, and you need to move the order of the listing to arrange the bar
[5:27] <mi11k1> i think its kind of a pain in the ass
[5:27] <wbill> how do i get to the window
[5:27] <mi11k1> i dunno, lemme see if i got lxde on something here
[5:29] <mi11k1> gimme a sec, im installing it on a vm
[5:30] <mi11k1> what rpi is it? 2, 3?
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[5:38] <wbill> how do i remove dhcp cache for static ip setup
[5:39] <mi11k1> im not sure what you mean
[5:40] <wbill> the dhcp cache ip assigned by my dhcp router
[5:40] <mi11k1> modify /etc/network/interfaces
[5:40] <mi11k1> unless you wanna use network-manager
[5:40] <wbill> i did that to static and th adress subnet mask etc
[5:41] <mi11k1> so whats the problem?
[5:41] <wbill> still sees the old ip
[5:41] <wbill> and i cold booted
[5:41] <mi11k1> restart it
[5:41] <mi11k1> did you do auto eth0?
[5:41] <wbill> maybe its on the router ill have to reboot it or something
[5:42] <wbill> let me chk
[5:44] <mi11k1> should be like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/16372491/
[5:44] <wbill> iface eth0 inet static
[5:45] <wbill> k
[5:45] <mi11k1> then service network-manager restart
[5:45] <mi11k1> then maybe ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0
[5:46] <mi11k1> then ifconfig should tell you what is what
[5:46] <wbill> ok that worked tyvm
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[5:47] <mi11k1> you can add dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 to the bottom of that too if you want googles dns
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[6:02] <wbill_> what permissions does a user that i made need to have to be able to scp inot it from my other unix box?
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[6:03] <wbill_> im trying to scp a file into my pi from my linux box
[6:04] <wbill_> using my pi like id
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[6:05] <wbill_> it keeps telling me permission denied and i know i have the right password
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[6:10] <mi11k1> i usually just use sftp
[6:11] <mi11k1> ssh with root is disabled in jessie
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[6:31] <wbill_> ok anyone got an idea why i can't ssh into my box as a pi level user
[6:31] <wbill_> or did i forget something with anssh file
[6:31] <wbill_> ssh config file or something
[6:32] <wbill_> says permission denied
[6:33] <mi11k1> you should just make a new user
[6:34] <mi11k1> did you change pis password? it makes you use 6 digits i think
[6:35] <mi11k1> if you make a new user you can use a 4 digit
[6:42] <wbill_> anyone know why i can't ssh nto my box with my new usr id
[6:42] <wbill_> my box= my pi
[6:42] <mi11k1> is ssh even running?
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[6:43] <mi11k1> is port 22 open?
[6:43] <mi11k1> check the logs man
[6:43] <wbill_> yes i can do it with the id i changed that was pi now its another name and i also did the whole raspi-config to make sure it was started thingy
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[6:44] <wbill_> is there a conf file i need to add my new user to or an group etc
[6:44] <mi11k1> if you did adduser me, it should work
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[6:44] <wbill_> it says permision denied when i try to login it seemed to acept the id
[6:45] <mi11k1> did you do useradd?
[6:45] <mi11k1> or adduser?
[6:45] <wbill_> not sure
[6:45] <mi11k1> nux always accepts the id
[6:45] <wbill_> 1 sec
[6:45] <mi11k1> well, you need to use adduser
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[6:45] <wbill_> useradd
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[6:46] <wbill_> ok now that i already amde the id what do i do
[6:46] <mi11k1> userdel
[6:46] <wbill_> just useradd the same id
[6:46] <mi11k1> then adduser
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[6:46] <wbill_> how should adduser go
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[6:47] <mi11k1> adduser whoever
[6:47] <mi11k1> it will prompt u for a password to use
[6:47] <mi11k1> and make a folder in /home
[6:48] <mi11k1> if you do useradd, you need to make a password and create a home folder manually
[6:48] <mi11k1> by doing, passwd whoever
[6:49] <mi11k1> then usermod -d /path/to/wherever whoever
[6:49] <mi11k1> i think
[6:49] <mi11k1> just do adduser, its much easier
[6:51] <mi11k1> i think youre going to have a lot of fun on your travels with that pi
[6:51] <Lartza> useradd can create the home folder just fine
[6:51] <Lartza> And everything, except the password
[6:52] <Lartza> But adduser should work just fine too :)
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[6:52] <mi11k1> yah, i dont know, i hardly ever need to use useradd
[6:53] <mi11k1> ohh, im sure it can make a homefolder, just not automatically i thought
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[6:59] <Lartza> useradd -m -G wheel -s /bin/bash whoever
[6:59] <Lartza> passwd whoever
[6:59] <Lartza> :)
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[7:00] <wbill_> ok
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[7:02] <wbill_> wheel does not exist on raspbian
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[7:04] <wbill_> this sux
[7:04] <mi11k1> what distro do you use normally?
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[7:06] <mi11k1> ive been on linux for like a year, i think its amazing, and pretty straightforward.
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[7:07] <mi11k1> but, theres tools you gotta know how to use, man this and --help that, you know?
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[7:08] <mi11k1> like, /usr/share/doc /var/log, dmesg
[7:09] <mi11k1> google
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[7:18] <wbill_> any cues on this?
[7:18] <wbill_> clues
[7:18] <wbill_> Bind to port 22 on :: failed: Permission denied.
[7:18] <wbill_> Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Permission denied
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[7:19] <mi11k1> are you using sudo ?
[7:19] <wbill_> i did a /usr/sbin/sshd -d
[7:19] <mi11k1> do adduser whoever sudo
[7:19] <mi11k1> then logout and log back in
[7:20] <mi11k1> just do service ssh restart
[7:20] <mi11k1> you gotta have root privledges
[7:20] <mi11k1> you add yourself to sudo or be root
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[7:21] <wbill_> the user is already a member of 'sudo'
[7:21] <mi11k1> try typing su and if you can get the password, you can do anything you want
[7:21] <mi11k1> put sudo in front of that command then
[7:21] <mi11k1> sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -d
[7:21] <wbill_> i did it said i had to be root without it
[7:22] <wbill_> oh ok
[7:22] <mi11k1> log out and back in
[7:22] <mi11k1> or just type su and be root
[7:22] <mi11k1> youre going about the hardest way i could ever imagine
[7:23] <mi11k1> ssh is already proabbly running as a service
[7:23] <mi11k1> the scripts are in /etc/init.d
[7:24] <mi11k1> so head over there, and try doing a sudo ./ssh start:stop:restart
[7:24] <mi11k1> or try sudo service ssh start:stop:restart
[7:24] <mi11k1> whatever floats your boat
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[7:31] <wbill_> ok riddle me this i just spent 3 hour of my life trying to figure out about why the damn ssh wasn't working and it was a keyboar dwas figured for europe or somtign the @ symbol and the " are switched whew!!! Calgon take me away
[7:32] <wbill_> so how do i reset that if anyone knows im having a har dtime finding to much about it
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[7:37] <wbill_> is ther a numbe ri can call to get my soul back?
[7:37] <wbill_> im good now thanks millkl
[7:38] <wbill_> & Lartza
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[7:51] <mi11k1> thats why the bar got deleted
[7:52] <mi11k1> haha, i dunno, you'll be fine
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[9:50] <Cheaterman> I'll just nuke Raspbian, thanks
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[10:14] <ShorTie> using raspbian-ua-netinst, when i make a new user and then copy bashrc and profile over, my prompt stays at # and not colorized, any ideas on how to fix ??
[10:17] <ShorTie> and the up arrow doesn't scroll back through the commands
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[11:59] <t3k_> Hello
[12:01] <t3k_> Is this the room where people understand the difference between bl and a b hang?
[12:01] <t3k_> I am just b hang ; ing out
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[13:20] <salviaD> if I set arm_freq=800, is gpu_freq performance incrased altogheter or I need to specify gpu_freq too?
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[14:30] <salviaD> the raspbian download is the same for both raspberry 1 and 3 ??
[14:32] <shiftplusone> yup
[14:34] <salviaD> ok, but If I boot the same SD card/system I am using on a B+model right now, on my newest pi3, it will BOOT, fine.. But Will it be using the arm7 specs or pi3will "emulate" pi1 spec?
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[14:40] <shiftplusone> Not sure what you mean by 'emulate' or 'specs' in this context. armv7 can run armv6 instructions.
[14:41] <shiftplusone> And if it was all armv7, there wouldn't be any real performance increase in most cases, so it's nicer to have one image for all models.
[14:42] <shiftplusone> In the cases where you do see a performance increase (mostly NEON accelerated codecs), there are armv7 binaries which raspbian uses.
[14:47] <plugwash> shiftplusone, any ETA on improving the foundation kernel/firmware packaging and/or on updating the packaged foundation kernel to 4.4 ?
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[14:48] <shiftplusone> plugwash: tomorrow
[14:48] <plugwash> for both?
[14:49] <shiftplusone> well, depends on what you mean by 'improving'. I've done what I wanted to do, but I am not sure if it's an improvement over just downloading the kernel from github.
[14:50] <shiftplusone> dpkg is awful when you have many small files in a package.
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[14:51] <shiftplusone> I've profiled it and spends most of the time getting the md5 digest for each file =/
[14:53] <plugwash> sorry by improving I was talking about providing proper kernel headers, providing a source package (ideally which the kernel is actually built from but at least that contains the source for the kernel), splitting kernel and firmware into seperate packages etc
[14:54] <shiftplusone> kernel headers, split kernel and firmware, but no proper source package.
[14:58] <plugwash> can you at least provide a source package that contains the corresponding source even if you don't actually compile the kernel as part of the package build
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[15:00] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that would be a trivial change to the new package. Won't be in tomorrow's release though. There's a fix that will come a few days after release and perhaps I could sneak it in there.
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[15:05] <salviaD> can I have a single config.txt file for pi1 and pi3 ? example I want cpu 800 for pi1, but dont overclock the pi3
[15:07] <shiftplusone> salviaD: yeah, sec.
[15:08] <shiftplusone> salviaD: https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/blob/master/configuration/config-txt.md#conditional-filters
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[15:09] <salviaD> nice, Do I need to specify the kernel for pi1 and pi3? I am using fundation's raspbian lite
[15:10] <diederik> salviaD: no. If you don't specify the kernel it uses kernel.img for Pi1 and kernel7.img for Pi2/3, so you're good
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[15:55] <victor_tlm> Good morning people! How have you been?
[15:57] <victor_tlm> uhmmmm I have a really interesting question this day
[15:57] <victor_tlm> it's someone here?
[15:57] <methuzla> where's here?
[15:59] <victor_tlm> hahaha sorry is just an expression
[16:01] <victor_tlm> well I'm trying to install a SHIELD into the raspberry
[16:01] <victor_tlm> but it's an Arduino one working on SPI
[16:03] <methuzla> what shield?
[16:04] <shiftplusone> keep in mind arduino stuff is designed for 5v and the pi's gpio pins are not 5v tolerant.
[16:04] <methuzla> yep
[16:06] <victor_tlm> yeah I don't have any trouble with that cuz I'm using an Xbee shield
[16:06] <victor_tlm> so tecnically is mounted like if it were on an original arduino
[16:07] <victor_tlm> I don't know how's SPI working into a Raspberry
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[16:12] <methuzla> victor_tlm, be more specific, not sure what your question is
[16:13] <victor_tlm> well I'm trying to use the the sparkfun Musical Instrumental Shield
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[16:14] <victor_tlm> mounted into another Xbee working already into the Raspberry
[16:14] <victor_tlm> but I don't know if spi is working because any time I try to test
[16:15] <victor_tlm> spi I get this error
[16:17] <victor_tlm> "/dev/spidev0.0 doesn't exist"
[16:17] <methuzla> you need to enable kernel module for spi
[16:17] <victor_tlm> and for additional information I'm already using another SPI module with an Adafruit TFT shiled
[16:18] <victor_tlm> and yeah I already enabled spi with raspi-config
[16:18] <methuzla> ls /dev/spi*
[16:18] <methuzla> what do you see?
[16:19] <victor_tlm> it say it's nothig there
[16:19] <victor_tlm> but it has no sense...
[16:19] <victor_tlm> just give me a sec...
[16:19] <methuzla> lsmod | grep spi
[16:19] <methuzla> what do you see?
[16:20] <victor_tlm> ok one second please and before that this is the little screen
[16:20] <victor_tlm> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1774
[16:20] <victor_tlm> the adafruit one
[16:20] <victor_tlm> spi_bcm2708 7843 0
[16:20] <victor_tlm> spi_bcm2835 7216 0
[16:20] <victor_tlm> and these is what I see with that command line
[16:22] <methuzla> what model pi are you using? and what os?
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[16:28] <victor_tlm> uhmmmm is raspberry pi 2
[16:28] <victor_tlm> and is raspbian
[16:28] <victor_tlm> the latest one jessie
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[16:29] <methuzla> not sure why you're showing two modules, and nothing in /dev
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[16:30] <victor_tlm> I know ... weird isn't it?
[16:32] <shiftplusone> load spi-dev
[16:32] <victor_tlm> how do I do that?
[16:32] <shiftplusone> sec.... checking that's the right name
[16:33] <shiftplusone> (it's not)
[16:33] <shiftplusone> but you shouldn't have both loaded
[16:33] <victor_tlm> uhmmmmm
[16:33] <victor_tlm> I load them manually
[16:33] <victor_tlm> with sudo modprobe
[16:33] <methuzla> oh
[16:34] <victor_tlm> is that wrong?
[16:34] <shiftplusone> yes
[16:34] <victor_tlm> why that?
[16:34] <shiftplusone> do you have dtparam=spi=on in config.txt?
[16:35] <victor_tlm> where's that config?
[16:35] <methuzla> /boot
[16:36] <victor_tlm> yeah is enabled
[16:37] <victor_tlm> look uhmmm is this correct?
[16:37] <victor_tlm> in my i3 configuration (which boots after I turn on) I have this for the adafruit tft
[16:37] <victor_tlm> exec sudo modprobe i2c_bcm2708
[16:37] <methuzla> i3?
[16:37] <victor_tlm> this is the audio one
[16:38] <victor_tlm> exec sudo modprobe snd-bcm2835
[16:38] <victor_tlm> mhm! the graphical interface
[16:38] <shiftplusone> don't need sudo modprobe snd-bcm2835
[16:38] <victor_tlm> uhmmmm
[16:38] <shiftplusone> just dtparam=audio=on in config.txt
[16:38] <victor_tlm> seriously?
[16:38] <victor_tlm> let me see...
[16:39] <shiftplusone> same with i2c_bcm2708
[16:39] <shiftplusone> dtparma=i2c=on
[16:39] <shiftplusone> and i2c-dev in /etc/modules
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[16:40] <victor_tlm> ok let me try that
[16:40] <methuzla> dtparam
[16:40] <shiftplusone> yeah, sorry, typo
[16:40] <victor_tlm> don't worry
[16:40] <victor_tlm> thanx for your help guys
[16:42] <shiftplusone> I seem to have spi devices without doing anything special, just enabling it in config.txt
[16:42] <methuzla> same here
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[16:42] <methuzla> and for some reason, i have these two for i2c: dtparam=i2c1=on, dtparam=i2c_arm=on
[16:43] <methuzla> do you have device tree disabled for some reason?
[16:44] <victor_tlm> uhmmm
[16:44] <victor_tlm> nope that one is enabled
[16:45] <methuzla> so that, and the dtparam's in /boot/config.txt, and reboot. should work.
[16:45] <victor_tlm> all right
[16:45] <victor_tlm> now is working!
[16:46] <victor_tlm> well
[16:46] <victor_tlm> the adafruit tft
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[16:46] <victor_tlm> and sound let me try
[16:47] <victor_tlm> awesome!
[16:47] <victor_tlm> both are working
[16:47] <victor_tlm> without modprobe....
[16:47] <victor_tlm> uhmmmm
[16:47] <victor_tlm> so technically
[16:47] <victor_tlm> now those spi modules are free right?
[16:48] <methuzla> free?
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[16:49] <victor_> maybe I asigned the spi devices slots for the little screen and the audio device
[16:49] <victor_> could that be posible?
[16:51] <victor_> well if it's not...
[16:51] <victor_> now when I use lsmod (because I deactivated the another modprobe)
[16:52] <victor_> I just have only a spi device
[16:52] <victor_> spi_bcm2835 7216 0
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[16:59] <victor_> I keep getting there's not spi device in /dev
[16:59] <victor_> *sighs* I don't know how could that be posible
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[17:11] <victor_tlm> uhmmm
[17:11] <victor_tlm> any suggestion?
[17:12] <methuzla> pastebin your current /boot/config.txt
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[17:18] <victor_tlm> uhmmmm sorry sorry methuzla
[17:18] <victor_tlm> I found the problem
[17:18] <victor_tlm> the touch screen uses two devices
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[18:15] <Ingvix> hi
[18:16] <Ingvix> is there a way for me to login to my orange pi with raspbian for the first time without usb-keyboard
[18:16] <Ingvix> I have it plugged to my TV but can't really type the password
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[18:17] <Ingvix> I can't seem to make ssh connection to it. It's probably not installed by default
[18:22] <Ingvix> any help?
[18:24] * plugwash suspects that there are few if any people here with orange pi experiance
[18:25] <Ingvix> Well, I don't really see how it would actually differ from raspberry pi
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[18:25] <Ingvix> in this matter
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[18:26] <vagrantc> why run raspbian on an orange pi? it can just run debian with the same if not less manual configuration
[18:27] <plugwash> What is installed by default is up to whoever built the image, so is the default username setup.
[18:27] <Ingvix> hmm okay
[18:28] <fred1807> I found that when my Pi is connected to the ethernet cable, there are some small audio gaps/buffer underruns during omxplayer playing of movies, every ~4 minutos or so. Something that does not happens when the pi is not connected. Now I wonder could it be some service? My system is raspbian lite, almost vanilla, I am running omxplyer from bash scrip to load folder... so simple :/
[18:28] <plugwash> vagrantc, i've often wondered that myself, why do so many armv7 SBC vendors use raspbian.........
[18:28] * plugwash suspects because they don't really know what they are doing
[18:28] <Ingvix> vagrantc, I just thought it would be more fitting cause, I don't know, it's named raspbian and orange pi is raspberry clone
[18:29] <Ingvix> I could always install debian if it's somehow more convenient
[18:31] <Ingvix> can I do necessary preparations to the iso with virtualbox or something and install that to the pi?
[18:31] <Ingvix> img I mean
[18:31] <Ingvix> or what ever it is
[18:32] <vagrantc> plugwash: yeah, i do worry that's the bulk of it
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[18:33] <vagrantc> that said, it's a bit of a manual process to install a board with debian that isn't supported out of the box, if you're used to using images
[18:38] <Ingvix> well there is reade made debian 8 with xfce image available at least for orange pi at their site
[18:38] <Ingvix> ready*
[18:40] <plugwash> vagrantc, sure but building a Debian image for a new board isn't much different from building a Raspbian one
[18:40] <plugwash> and yet loads of boards seem to end up with the latter for no good reason
[18:42] <Ingvix> so is there really any reason that one would prefer raspbian over debian
[18:42] <Ingvix> I have no experience of either one
[18:42] <Ingvix> except the login screen of raspbian for now
[18:45] <vagrantc> Ingvix: if you want it to run slower
[18:45] <vagrantc> though the difference is probably almost imperceptible
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[18:45] <Ingvix> interesting
[18:47] <vagrantc> Ingvix: raspbian is basically a rebuild of debian's armhf port, but with ARMv6 instead of ARMv7 ... so you miss out on some of the ARMv7 features.
[18:48] <Ingvix> okay, I might go with debian then
[18:49] <Ingvix> now, I'm pretty much using it as a server so would it be best to have debian without any desktop
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[21:31] <elastix> I have raspbian crash every day.... every command I try to run I get a command not found... what could be?
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[21:33] <elastix> ?
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[21:38] <Robert0F> exit
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[23:50] * Tachyon` is now known as Tachgone
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[23:56] <Perland> Hey, anyone around?
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[23:58] <methuzla> no, just us bots
[23:59] <Perland> heh
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