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[1:52] <brianx> i doubt wine works on non x86 platforms.
[1:53] <brianx> except maybe emulated like qemu.
[1:53] <brianx> qemu works on a pi2, i've used it.
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[2:21] <martin290> hey everyone, can i get some help real quick setting up the pi user with read/write access to the var/www folder and all subfolders?
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[2:26] <methuzla> do an ls -l on a sample file and show results
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[2:30] <belak> Are there any raspbian installers for the Pi 3 which allow for a minimal install? I'd rather not have a huge desktop environment if it isn't really needed
[2:30] <methuzla> raspbian lite
[2:30] <binaryhermit> it's not really an installer per se
[2:31] <binaryhermit> you unzip it and dd the .img file (or equivalent)
[2:31] <vagrantc> does raspbian-ua-netinst work with pi3 yet?
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[2:37] <methuzla> martin290, ls -ld /var/www (what does it show?)
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[2:39] <belak> There are notes listed on the website that say that the stuff on the rPi website has extra stuff and aren't 'official' raspbian images?
[2:40] <methuzla> huh? what website?
[2:42] <belak> Ah, I guess that's a misleading paraphrase
[2:42] <belak> "However it should be remembered that this image is created by the raspberry Pi foundation not the Raspbian project and as such we don't control what is in it."
[2:42] <belak> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianImages
[2:42] <belak> I don't actually see any official images listed
[2:43] <belak> Aside from the foundation images
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[2:46] <vagrantc> belak: there are no "official" raspbian images
[2:47] <vagrantc> the raspberry pi foundation creates images using raspbian plus whatever else they put in the image
[2:50] <vagrantc> yes, it's confusing to everyone
[2:51] <belak> So, raspbian lite is my best bet?
[2:51] <belak> Or, you mentioned a net install?
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[2:56] <stray77> 2016-03-18-octopi-jessie-lite-0.13.0.img is what I used for the first time.
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[3:10] <saul> i've got some crazy slowness going on even though im not doing anything on the raspi ... ksoftirqd/0 using 36% cpu, top using 29%, screen 19.4 ...
[3:14] <belak> Is there a way to add additional boot params? It'd be nice to add "quiet"
[3:14] <belak> Also, is there a good way to connect to wireless using the command line?
[3:15] <belak> The lite image is great so far
[3:16] <methuzla> you put kernel args in /boot/cmdline.txt
[3:18] <belak> Also, how can I change the keyboard layout? It looks like it's gb by default?
[3:18] <belak> And the locale is set that way too
[3:18] <methuzla> raspi-config
[3:19] <belak> I assume that's a gui program?
[3:19] <methuzla> cli, curses interface
[3:19] <belak> Ah, sorry, looks like it just hung the first time
[3:19] <belak> Worked the second
[3:19] <methuzla> you'll want to run it and expand file system at least
[3:20] <belak> I think it did that automatically on the first boot
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[4:36] <[gnubie]> hi..
[4:37] <[gnubie]> i am trying to build the ntp from testing repo but i am getting a build error with ntp-keygen.
[4:37] <[gnubie]> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[4:37] <[gnubie]> Makefile:867: recipe for target 'ntp-keygen' failed
[4:37] <[gnubie]> make[4]: *** [ntp-keygen] Error 1
[4:37] <[gnubie]> anyone’s familiar on this and how to fix it?
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[5:15] <stiv> you need to find the *first* error in the compiler output
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[5:22] <[gnubie]> stiv: so far, that’s the first line that has an error keyword..
[5:23] * stiv bets there is an unresolved symbol msg somewhere
[5:25] <[gnubie]> hi stiv.. you can find more info at http://pastie.org/private/zhqe4eydwkznu4nag76ryg
[5:27] * stiv hi-5s himself. undefined refs, lines 33 &35
[5:31] <[gnubie]> 1051 optionShowRange(pOptions, pOptDesc, VOIDP(rng), 1);
[5:31] <[gnubie]> 1110 optionShowRange(pOptions, pOptDesc, VOIDP(rng), 1);
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[6:15] <[gnubie]> still failing..
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[6:49] <l9> why shouldnt it still be failing ?
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[7:32] <[gnubie]> l9: i’m not sure what to do and how to proceed. i am rebuilding the ntp-4.2.8p7+dfsg from testing on stable raspbian jessie environment and i am still getting this => http://pastie.org/private/zhqe4eydwkznu4nag76ryg
[7:42] <ShorTie> [gnubie] have you tried real sources and not the testing version ??
[7:44] <[gnubie]> ShorTie: not yet. i will try that. i was expecting that the raspbian testing deb sources are ready to be rebuild with the stable raspbian jessie
[7:45] <ShorTie> i surely wouldn't assume yhat
[7:45] <ShorTie> did you apply any of the patches ??
[7:46] <[gnubie]> not really. just added a compile option in the debian/rules to enable linuxcaps with PPS and with ATOM
[7:46] <ShorTie> or are you letting dpkg do the dirty work ??
[7:47] <[gnubie]> i’m trying to rebuild to have a .deb package
[7:47] <ShorTie> gonna pass it out ??
[7:48] <[gnubie]> i’m sorry, what do you mean?
[7:48] <[gnubie]> it’s only for own use
[7:48] <[gnubie]> well at least for a few raspberry pi 3 model b
[7:49] <ShorTie> you only need a deb if your passing it out
[7:50] <[gnubie]> well, i just want to have everything will be managed with the built-in package management
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[8:11] <mike_t> [gnubie], I think you need the autogen for rebuild
[8:12] <[gnubie]> mike_t: autogen package is already installed
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[8:18] <mike_t> [gnubie], ntpd requires the autogen 5.18.5
[8:19] <[gnubie]> mike_t: ok. what i have here is 5.18.4-3. let me check what i can do..
[8:26] <mike_t> [gnubie], try to builds with --enable-local-libopts I'm not sure but it's may help
[8:27] <[gnubie]> will try that, too.. thanks mike_t..
[8:28] <[gnubie]> looking at the control file, the required version of autogen is >= 5.11
[8:28] <[gnubie]> :q!
[8:28] <mike_t> http://bk1.ntp.org/ntp-stable/sntp/include/autogen-version.def?PAGE=anno&REV=55434e7303Vj6myYjaQVqauaizShlQ
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[10:36] <[gnubie]> mike_t, ShorTie, stiv and l9: thanks..
[10:36] <[gnubie]> brb
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[12:18] <afk> Hello!
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[12:25] <afk> my raspberry pi 3 doesnt boot
[12:26] <hphuhtin> has it booted ever?
[12:27] <hphuhtin> I had pi3 not booting when the power supply was of not so good quality. with the raspi3 "original" PSU it then booted fine
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[12:30] <afk> it didnt boot even once
[12:30] <afk> though i could see the red light
[12:30] <afk> when i plugged in the charger
[12:30] <afk> hphuhtin:
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[12:31] <hphuhtin> tried with another charger?
[12:31] <hphuhtin> might be just the power supply
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[12:36] <afk> hphuhtin: I guess it isnt the charger cause I could see the led light
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[15:57] <kylo_wen> ok so
[15:57] <kylo_wen> who knows best way to look at https traffic coming from a raspberry pi?
[15:58] <M0SPN> coming from a pi?
[15:58] <M0SPN> you mean the pi is serving data, or the pi is fetching data?
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[16:24] <npm> Some update last week seems to have taken out module bcm2835-rng and the hardware random number generator. Will it be back?
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[16:30] <kylo_wen> pi is fetching data
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[16:31] <thurstylark> npm: I would imagine that it would. hard to create keys without a RNG :P
[16:32] <npm> anybody know what happened to bcm2835-rng ? Did GCHQ and the NSA object to people having potentially more secure keys?
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[16:37] <npm> IMHO, the disabling of previously functioning HW RNG happened here: libraspberrypi-doc:armhf (1.20160506-1, 1.20160512-1), raspberrypi-kernel:armhf (1.20160506-1, 1.20160512-1), libraspberrypi-bin:armhf (1.20160506-1, 1.20160512-1), raspberrypi-bootloader:armhf (1.20160506-1, 1.20160512-1), libraspberrypi0:armhf (1.20160506-1, 1.20160512-1), libidn11:armhf (1.29-1, 1.29-1+deb8u1), libraspberrypi-dev:armhf (1.20160506-1, 1.20160512-1)
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[16:38] <amber3> Been on the search engines and forums all week, trying to setup Sony bluetooth speaker as a headset profile, just doesn't work
[16:39] <shiftplusone> does it work if you connect and then use pavucontrol to change profiles?
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[16:43] <npm> (^^^ above recommendation only works on recent updates that install pulseaudio, ostensibly to deal with bluetooth audio complaints brought on by people expecting it to work given pi 3's bluetooth builtin...)
[16:44] <amber3> Thanks shift, I'll try that, although I don't remember seeing that in pavucontrol, I got lost reading about a2dp lol, I'll check it out.
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[16:44] <npm> and one update i'm not doing *ever*...
[16:44] <stray77> i got my noname cheapo bluetooth speaker working with raspian
[16:44] <npm> unless you want a realtime core tied up 24/7 on your puny pi, just to handle audio mixing/resampling/etc that should all be happening in hardware...
[16:45] <amber3> I'm on a PI 2 with a cheapo dongle, the speaker works and sounds great, I want to get the mic working too
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[16:45] <stray77> ah i was using a pi 3
[16:46] * npm still hating on pulseaudio after all these years.
[16:46] <stray77> in that case yes you need pulse audio and use bluetoothctl to pair and trust the speaker
[16:46] <shiftplusone> npm: pulseaudio doesn't actually run until you connect to a bluetooth audio device on the default image.
[16:47] <npm> ^^^ nice!
[16:48] <npm> the last thing i want is pulseaudio horking up my audio ( http://www.nielsmayer.com/xwiki/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Kodi+Audio+Heaven+With+PiFi+Digi+SPDIF+HAT+and+External+DAC )
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[17:08] <at0m> npm: that your blog? if not, i suspect the author seems to mix up 'non-clock-sync'd digital audio I/O' with jitter. or he must have had some srsly flawed S/P-DIF before.
[17:08] <npm> yes it is. you must not understand the first thing about digital audio to be able to say that.
[17:09] <at0m> because, really, """Jitter" is what makes digital audio sound "digital" grungy and bad "" i've never had grungy digital
[17:09] <at0m> nor can "HD digital audio can sound indistinguishable from analog"
[17:09] <npm> good for you. this is not an audio group. off topcic.
[17:09] <at0m> npm: get real. i run a pro studio.
[17:10] <at0m> i've worked with S/PD-DIF, ADAT for 20 years now.
[17:10] <npm> and bill gates gave us msdos
[17:10] <at0m> and grungy, bad? hasn't happened here. just sounds normal.
[17:11] <at0m> and digital like analog? i prefer to mix analog, not digital.
[17:11] <at0m> actually most our gear is analog now cos i don't like digital much for synthesis or summing.
[17:11] <npm> again, please find an audio group. has nothing to do with raspbian
[17:12] <at0m> then don't post crap audio articles here.
[17:12] <npm> there is a comment section
[17:12] <npm> feel free to make the cogent argument there, that you've failed to make here. please back up with some references as i have.
[17:13] <at0m> ah now i need to recursively argue with your link.
[17:13] <at0m> if you're up for it, i'll send you my soundclouds. proof in the pudding and things.
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[17:14] <npm> i'm so looking forward to hearing hamster deathkore or whatever it is you do
[17:14] <at0m> ...
[17:15] <SOUL_OF_R00T> heya great guys, here is time to say good evening! i have success in some task using raspbian on rasp with 900 Mhz off clock per core, i have wrote some controls using gpio and a network daemon. i had used python
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[17:16] <molgrum> python imagesize, what package is it in? what is it called?
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[17:27] <kylo_wen> noice
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[17:28] <at0m> molgrum: apt-cache search imagesize | grep python ?
[17:29] <at0m> got 2 returns there, same version, so probably same pachage
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[17:30] <molgrum> at0m: okay for ruby, hope that works
[17:30] <at0m> also, python-imagesize
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[20:20] <kaney> hi i need help about eggdrop install
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[20:21] <kaney> hi
[20:22] <kaney> Eggdrop requires Tcl and the Tcl development files to compile hi have install tcl-dev and tcl
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[20:29] <up2late> wow people still using eggdrops?
[20:29] <up2late> i remember making scripts for them back in my warez days on EFnet
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[20:39] <upmauro> hi!
[20:39] <upmauro> can i power my rp2 using computer usb?
[20:40] <Lartza> Not really no
[20:40] <Lartza> USB3 technically
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[20:40] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't give a flat out no. It depends.
[20:41] <shiftplusone> But in any case, it's a bad idea.
[20:41] <thurstylark> I mean, yeah, you can, but do you want to? probably not :P
[20:41] <Lartza> And still, USB3 only
[20:41] <upmauro> thurstylark, just to setup and tests
[20:41] <upmauro> Lartza, but, is safe?
[20:41] <shiftplusone> Can power my pi from my usb2 port just fine, but again.... it depends.
[20:42] <Lartza> I wouldn't call it safe
[20:42] <at0m> no guarantees ^
[20:42] <Lartza> ^
[20:42] <thurstylark> Yeah, supported range is >=1.7A iirc
[20:42] <upmauro> right, jaja, it's bad ideia, i will buy one 5v supply
[20:43] <thurstylark> sounds like a good idea :)
[20:43] <upmauro> hey, just more one question (it's is my dream, but i dont know if this is possible)
[20:43] <upmauro> i will try use 3 usb cams in rp2, to my home security
[20:43] <upmauro> :|
[20:44] <Lartza> Powered usb hub
[20:44] <Lartza> Probably
[20:44] <Lartza> And even then probably not going to work
[20:44] <upmauro> :(
[20:44] <Lartza> Lucky to get one or two working
[20:44] <Lartza> Depends but
[20:44] <Lartza> Cameras need processing power
[20:44] <upmauro> Lartza, huum ..
[20:44] <Lartza> It doesn't hurt to try
[20:45] <Lartza> If you have cameras lying around
[20:45] <upmauro> :D
[20:45] <upmauro> i sent results here later
[20:45] <upmauro> hahaha
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[22:07] <npm> following up on bcm2835-rng module issue in latest rasbian kernels ... turns out that without this (apparently) builtin module loaded, rng-tools' rngtest succeeds. With it loaded, you get failures. (???)
[22:07] <npm> not loaded and fresh boot: rngtest: FIPS 140-2 successes: 1000
[22:08] <npm> after doing modprobe bcm2835-rng... rngtest: FIPS 140-2 failures: 3
[22:08] <npm> 4.4.11-v7+ #887 SMP Thu May 19 16:24:03 BST 2016
[22:12] <npm> things worked as expected when this module was loaded back in ./4.1.19-v7+/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random/bcm2835-rng.ko . Now the module can be modprobed (which causes it to fail rngtest), but there is no file, thus assuming it got builtin. I guess with it builtin, no need to load it as it causes it to break??? (any confirmations of this theory?)
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[22:24] <shiftplusone> npm: have you reported the issue?
[22:26] <npm> i'm still trying to figure out if it is an issue or if anyone else noticed searches are turning up little.
[22:26] <npm> ^^ sh
[22:26] <npm> ^ shiftplusone
[22:26] <shiftplusone> do you have the rng enabled in config.txt? that's all you need.
[22:27] <npm> no, i guess i'd set it up manually by loading the module in /etc/modules
[22:28] <shiftplusone> okay, I don't remember the option anyway >.>
[22:29] <shiftplusone> ah, just asked Dom and that's no longer a thing you need to do. It's built in.
[22:30] <shiftplusone> so yeah.... don't modprobe anything and don't stick in into /etc/modules.
[22:32] <npm> shiftplusone: dtparam=random=on http://www.berthon.eu/2015/an-unpredictable-raspberry-pi/
[22:32] <npm>
[22:33] <shiftplusone> That's not needed
[22:33] <npm> ah, so basically the way i have it... just run rng-tools
[22:33] <npm> thanks for clarifying shiftplusone
[22:33] <shiftplusone> no worries
[22:34] <npm> it wouldn't have been a bugreport then, it would have been operator error and lack of keeping up with the changes...
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[22:35] <shiftplusone> hell, I can't keep up with the changes
[22:35] <npm> although i guess it is a bug if you manually modprobe it and then the rngtest starts failing
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[22:47] <plugwash> shouldn't the rng be enabled by default?!
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[22:49] <shiftplusone> plugwash: it is
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