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[0:59] <Echo6> marcush77: I'm not sure why you sent me a link to an application I already installed.
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[2:40] <marcushh777> Echo6: ... its the other links on the page that are interesting; the problem is probably not a Raspbian issue, more likely an issue with the RRD tool, or with Cacti...
[2:41] <Echo6> You must have missed my original statements.
[2:41] <marcushh777> nope
[2:41] <marcushh777> I read all of it
[2:41] <Echo6> I didn't say it was a problem with Raspbian.
[2:42] <Echo6> And RRDtool, PHP, and Cacti are functioning properly.
[2:42] <marcushh777> You're running into a use case that not many raspbian user are even going to know what you're talking about
[2:42] <Echo6> I know this because I have written my own files to test them.
[2:42] <marcushh777> let alone know what to do about it
[2:42] <marcushh777> The people on the Cacti site are more likely going to be able to help you solve this... I had to google all of it to even understand what you're talking about...
[2:42] <Echo6> Yes. I know this. However it does not stop me from asking. If the answer was on that page I would have found it already.\
[2:43] <marcushh777> I doubt its on that page... I think you and or someone else are going to have to dig, but the average raspbian user is not going to have a clue... not even a clue...
[2:43] <Echo6> OK, but there are chance that there are people in these channels that would know about it. I have encountered several over the last few days.
[2:44] <marcushh777> I am interested that you can generate the graph manually...
[2:44] <marcushh777> that leads me to think that its a Cacti problem...
[2:44] <Echo6> I have found a few. You forget that network engineers and IT personnel also use raspbian on there Pi's for various tasks including the one that I am doing.
[2:44] <marcushh777> I hope you're right.
[2:45] <marcushh777> ... but I wouldn't hold my breath.
[2:45] <Echo6> Except they are the same files working on the Raspberry Pi with Raspbian that aren't working on the Orange Pi with Raspbian.
[2:45] <marcushh777> ... just morbidly curious, is it the VERY same img ?
[2:46] <Echo6> Close. Some differences for the processor and video.
[2:46] <marcushh777> (seems related to graphics)
[2:46] <Echo6> Shouldn't be.
[2:47] <Echo6> I'm certain I will find the answer at some point tomorrow.
[2:47] <marcushh777> Hope is always a blessed thing.
[2:47] <marcushh777> :D
[2:47] <marcushh777> best wishes...
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[7:34] <pezus> hi. i am currently updating my raspberry kernel via rpi-update. i want to use linux-image-4.4.0-1-rpi2. is there anything that i have to consider before installing the kernel package?
[7:35] <marcushh777> pray
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[7:35] <marcushh777> (just kidding)
[7:35] <pezus> :)
[7:36] <pezus> i mean, how do i "control" which kernel will be booted in the future?
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[7:42] <marcushh777> by pointing the control files at the kernel you want
[7:43] <marcushh777> Raspbian?
[7:44] <marcushh777> you rename the image file, and point the control file at the newest image
[7:44] <marcushh777> you can have more than one kernel image on there, if you have room...
[7:44] <pezus> ok, where is the control file located?
[7:44] <pezus> yes, raspbian
[7:44] <marcushh777> in /boot/config.txt and /etc/cmdline.txt
[7:45] <pezus> i just stumbled upon that there is no vmlinuz-file in /boot
[7:45] <pezus> and then i got curious
[7:46] <pezus> wait, it's /boot/cmdline.txt, right?
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[7:51] <marcushh777> the image is kernel7 in /boot
[7:52] <marcushh777> the configs are in /boot/config.txt and /boot/cmdline.txt
[7:52] <marcushh777> the kernel images are in /boot
[7:52] <marcushh777> along with the bootup firmware
[7:52] <pezus> and that's the default image that is not mentioned in the config.txt because of default and i have to specify a "kernel=$new_image" in the config.txt?
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[8:18] <marcushh777> pezus... no, rename the old kernel, and give the new kernel the name of the old one...
[8:19] <marcushh777> I think you can change the kernel= but it goes in the kernel command line file /boot/cmdline.txt but, I don't have an example for you
[8:19] <pezus> i found out that i also have to specify the initramfs and also "followkernel". i will report shortly if this works
[8:19] <marcushh777> thank you... very interested in how you come out on this
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[8:20] <pezus> it actually worked
[8:20] <pezus> !
[8:20] <pezus> thanks!
[8:24] <marcushh777> welcome... cool
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[10:30] <zGrr> moin ;)
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[11:06] <waterCreature> and using the official lcd fro raspberry
[11:06] <waterCreature> after i close the matchbox-keyboard, the folders on the desktop disappear,
[11:07] <waterCreature> and I must always rettart
[11:07] <waterCreature> any fixes to this bug?
[11:08] <waterCreature> and the waiting for network at boot, i set the option to not wait for network to be established via sudo raspi-config
[11:08] <waterCreature> it still keeps waiting for 2 mins
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[11:14] <weirdgod> hello
[11:15] <weirdgod> i am trying to install MOAX Nport (serial to lan) realport tty driver on raspberry pi (jessie)... but have problems... any ideas how to do it (i logged my attempt here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/38213712/how-to-use-moxa-n5110-device-under-raspbian-jessie)
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[13:44] <Mirrortech> saludos desde Bogota-COL
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[13:45] <Mirrortech> raspbian..Openelec..xbmc..
[13:45] <Mirrortech> server dns local with raspberry
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[16:30] <marcushh777> hi all
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[16:31] <plugwash> hi
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[18:50] <g38> hello, how can I create a virtual interface eth0:0 with a specific static ip address? I know how to do it temporarily (with ifconfig), but writing it in /etc/network/interfaces seems to do nothing at all
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[19:03] <screamindynomt> i need a bit of help, is anyone here?
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[19:10] <ShorTie> just ask your question, peeps will chime in if they can normally
[19:11] <screamindynomt> ok im havin issues getting iceweasle/firefox to work as a tor browser
[19:11] <screamindynomt> if anybody can explain exactly how to set it up that would be great
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[19:19] <Jusii> I'm sure google is full of tutorials, it's not anything raspbian specific I guess
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[19:20] <Jusii> when googling, maybe change raspbian to debian
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[19:48] <g38> What is it that makes the interface eth0 go up on boot? It is listed as "iface eth0 inet manual" in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:49] <marcushh777> g38: if you want it managed by network manager remove that line from interfaces or change it to:
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[19:49] <marcushh777> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[19:50] <marcushh777> g38: make sure the eth0 line is first
[19:50] <marcushh777> g38: iface eth0 inet dhcp
[19:51] <g38> marcushh777, I don't really want it to be managed in any specific way, I just want to understand what is it that makes it go up (because I am trying to set up a virtual interface eth0:0 and I cannot make it go up). I don't seem to have network manager on my raspbian system anyway (systemctl lists only networking.service and network.target)
[19:52] <ckeltz> ifupdown is what you're looking for, probably
[19:53] <g38> ckeltz, I am able to make it go up manually, with ifup or ifconfig, but I don't understand why it doesn't happen automatically on startup
[19:54] <ckeltz> ah
[19:54] <ckeltz> you need to put auto before the iface line
[19:54] <ckeltz> so it'll look like "auto iface eth0 inet manual"
[19:55] <g38> ah, I only tried things like "auto eth0" and on the next line "iface eth0:0 inet static" (followed by address, netmask etc)
[19:55] <g38> I'll try as you say
[19:56] <g38> (but still, eth0 does go up on startup and has no auto in front, this is what perplexes me)
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[19:57] <marcushh777> g38: the auto before iface is not necessary... and there are lots of ways to manage your connections for up/down
[19:58] <marcushh777> g38: I like my eth0 to be manual, because I want network manager to manage the auto connect of the wifi... without eth0 interferring
[19:58] <g38> auto doesn't seem to help. Ok, so I'm at a loss. In /etc/network/interfaces I added "iface eth0:0 inet static" (followed by address, netmask etc), and for now the only solution that I can see would be to add an ifup or ifconfig command in rc.local, which is not very nice
[19:59] <marcushh777> g38: not very nice at all precious... --gollum
[19:59] <marcushh777> g38: but hey... if it works !
[19:59] <g38> marcushh777, but what is network manager: is it the thing which reads /etc/network/interfaces or are you referring to NetworkManager (which I don't seem to have on my system)?
[20:00] <marcushh777> g38: NetworkManager is a set of tools (GUI also) which normally a person runs on their desktop... has an icon at the top... which makes config and monitoring very easy
[20:01] <marcushh777> g38: you can install it with apt-get or apptitude
[20:01] <g38> ok NetworkManager I know. I'm happy to not have it installed. still I'd like to understand what, in my current setup, makes eth0 go up
[20:02] <marcushh777> g38: its a combination of /etc/udev/rules.d/ and /etc/network/interfaces
[20:02] <marcushh777> and the up | down scripts
[20:02] <ckeltz> It's not installed on some versions of Linux by default, sometimes it can cause conflicts. If you're using ifup to bring up an interface, you're probably callig a tool from the ifupdown suite, you can refer to the man page for more details.
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[20:03] <g38> ok I need to trace what is calling the up/down scripts
[20:03] <marcushh777> ckeltz: yup
[20:04] <marcushh777> g38: well, you need to know how your system is setup... are you using systemd or sysvinit?
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[20:04] <g38> marcushh777, it is using systemd. But it is almost the default raspbian install (I just removed a number of packages), so I thought it would be documented and standard
[20:05] <marcushh777> g38: will debian is using systemd by default these days... and your up|down is handled (I think) by /etc/udev/rules.d and /etc/network/interfaces
[20:05] <marcushh777> not will , well
[20:06] <g38> aaah, I finally got it. the point was I had to add "auto eth0:0" instead of "auto eth0". I am still mystified that "auto eth0" is not needed to get eth0 up but anyway. thanks for your help
[20:06] <marcushh777> g38: systemctl is used to control the services in systemd... and the network is a server like any other
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[21:16] <sergioad> Hello friends how are you today?
[21:17] <marcushh777> hi sergioad! doing well thanks, and you?
[21:18] <sergioad> marcushh777: I am fine
[21:18] <sergioad> happy because my Raspberry is comming
[21:19] <sergioad> and it will be shipped in Augost from China and I REALLY want it :)
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[21:22] <sergioad> any recommends for gamepads or accessories? I want make a part and part Video game console / media center combo (in one SD) and PC in another SD
[21:23] <sergioad> marcushh777: what do you think? wich accessory do you recommend me?
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[21:24] <marcushh777> sergioad: personally, I think the Gertboard is fabulous... a must have.
[21:25] <marcushh777> i love mine
[21:25] <sergioad> cool
[21:25] <sergioad> wich controllers it supports?
[21:25] <sergioad> I allready ordered a NES dogbone USB controller and a SNES controller
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[21:25] <sergioad> also I was thinking on getting a N64 USB adapter for official N64 controllers
[21:26] <marcushh777> it supports all of them... ;)
[21:27] <marcushh777> ... one way or the other
[21:27] <sergioad> cool
[21:27] <sergioad> even the USB converter?
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[21:50] <sergioad> friends, wich other peripherals wich another peripheral could I use in my raspberry?
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[22:05] <torsecurity> Hello everyone
[22:06] <torsecurity> I'm quite new to Raspbian, having just experience with Linux and BSD so far
[22:07] <torsecurity> I wondered that netstat -a shows me that the UDP port 42755 is open
[22:07] <torsecurity> Same with UDP6 port 45967
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[22:08] <torsecurity> I wasn't able to find any information on this. So is this normal / What is the explanation for this?
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[22:38] <thursdaylark> torsecurity: if you use the -p option, netstat will print the PID as well, so you can track it down that way
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[22:50] <ericb2> hello,
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[22:55] <RaspberrySec> Which ports should normally be open on Raspbian showed by netstat -a?
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[22:57] <marcushh777> RaspberrySec: that depends
[22:57] <marcushh777> standard ports: none, or only ssh and that should be moved
[22:58] <marcushh777> high ports depends on what the system is doing at the moments
[22:58] <marcushh777> for instance:
[22:58] <RaspberrySec> So port numbers above 45000 (udp and udp6) should be considered as being suspicious?
[22:58] <marcushh777> not necessarily
[22:59] <marcushh777> a port is just a number
[23:00] <marcushh777> services and functions and codes use 'ports' numbers for sockets and a lot of it is just normal...
[23:00] <marcushh777> not to be worried about
[23:00] <RaspberrySec> And what could be an explanation for those high port numbers being open?
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[23:01] <marcushh777> its not that they're 'open' for outside intrusion, they are 'open' socket numbers for threads in the system (could be any number of things)
[23:02] <marcushh777> what's a problem is if ports are open to the outside below 1024...
[23:02] <marcushh777> if you open ssh port 22 to the outside every botnet in the world is going to hammer on it...
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[23:03] <marcushh777> on the other hand if you open port 5789 as your ssh port... nobody will hammer on it... they won't even know its open probably
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[23:03] <marcushh777> standard port numbers below 1024 should be closed if at all possible.
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[23:04] <marcushh777> standard server ports like the telnet port, or the finger port... should never be opened
[23:05] <marcushh777> what servers do you attach to , irc, ftp, http, https, ssh, ??? keep it to a minimum and only what you NEED
[23:06] <marcushh777> use scp instead of ftp
[23:06] <marcushh777> use ssh instead of telnet
[23:06] <marcushh777> use https instead of http... for banking etc
[23:06] <marcushh777> http needs port 80
[23:07] <marcushh777> https needs port 443
[23:07] <marcushh777> you can set ssh to any port you want...
[23:07] <RaspberrySec> http://www.imagebam.com/image/5436e9493908750
[23:07] <RaspberrySec> Those are the high port numbers I mean
[23:08] <RaspberrySec> 56142 and 46871
[23:08] <marcushh777> those are socket numbers that your normal services are using...
[23:09] <marcushh777> all unix systems use unix-domain sockets for inter process communication... and that means that sockets are being opened and closed all the time
[23:10] <marcushh777> it DOES NOT mean that there is a suspicious vulnerability to the outside somewhere...
[23:10] <marcushh777> Your desktop display uses unixdomain sockets
[23:11] <marcushh777> every single app on your computer uses sockets to communicate with the X desktop
[23:11] <RaspberrySec> Whose services use those ports? I was not able to find any by doing a research. And I don't mean the inter process sockets, but the udp ports listed below "local address"
[23:11] <marcushh777> localhost is YOUR machine... those ARE unixdomain sockets !
[23:11] <RaspberrySec> UDP and UDP6 ports are unixdomain sockets?
[23:12] <marcushh777> you're watching normal communications going on inside your system
[23:12] <marcushh777> yes
[23:12] <marcushh777> that is what makes unix (gnu+linux) so special... it can work across the network, because internally it is also a networked system
[23:13] <marcushh777> the kernel is a networked kernel by definition
[23:13] <RaspberrySec> Yes, that's what I wouls understand about the sockets listed at the section "UNIX domain sockets"
[23:13] <marcushh777> which is why the kernel (iptables) IS your firewall... it controls the datagrams that come and go... because it itself is networked
[23:13] <RaspberrySec> But the ports I'm talking about don't belong to those
[23:14] <marcushh777> trust me... they are not suspicious...
[23:14] <marcushh777> you can watch that go on all day long on an active system
[23:15] <marcushh777> are you having other symptoms that make you suspicious that you're system is being cracked?
[23:16] <marcushh777> one thing you can do is take it off the network... but leave everything else running...
[23:16] <marcushh777> just unplug the cable... or shutdown the wifi... and keep watching normal activity with netstat -a
[23:16] <RaspberrySec> You mean turning the adapter down using ifconfig?
[23:17] <marcushh777> you could do that...
[23:17] <marcushh777> if you think you have intrusion, you better do that...
[23:17] <marcushh777> do you have reason to believe you've been powned
[23:17] <marcushh777> ?
[23:18] <marcushh777> If I thought that had happened with my Raspberry PI, I'd flash a new SD card and start over
[23:18] <marcushh777> did you put the system on the network without first changing the PI passwd or hardening the system ?
[23:19] <marcushh777> I mean, PI is essentially your root... if you didn't change the password, all bets are off...
[23:20] <RaspberrySec> I changed the password and was behind an Openwrt router - Therefore it's hard to imagine for me that the system got compromised
[23:20] <marcushh777> yeah, me neither...
[23:20] <marcushh777> that's why I think your netstat -a is normal looking...
[23:20] <marcushh777> I could of course be wrong, but I don't think so...
[23:21] <marcushh777> The system has to use high numbers for normal operations because the lower numbers are pre-assigned...
[23:21] <RaspberrySec> And if the compromise would be carried through in such a professional way (I have some experience with pentesting Linux), there wouldn't show up anything suspicious in the netstat output
[23:22] <marcushh777> oh, it might, but probably not to untrained or casual eyes...
[23:22] <marcushh777> and it would happen so fast that there wouldn't be anything you could do about it at that point anyways...
[23:23] <marcushh777> all good security is not AFTER the fact, good security is preventative !!
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[23:23] <RaspberrySec> I think there are only very few realistic options for effective pentesting
[23:24] <RaspberrySec> File system integrity checking might show things, but that can be circumvented as well
[23:24] <marcushh777> well, you can harden the system, do what you can, but if your system is penetrated you're screwed by the time you catch it
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[23:25] <marcushh777> just follow good basic rules
[23:25] <marcushh777> close standard ports is number one
[23:25] <marcushh777> use a good firewall|router
[23:25] <marcushh777> understand IP tables and harden your system
[23:25] <marcushh777> use good passwords
[23:26] <marcushh777> never give a user a shell!!
[23:26] <marcushh777> don't allow root logins
[23:26] <RaspberrySec> The only definite way to find out whether you're screwed would be by putting your system behind a clean system, which allows you to analyze the traffic (and even that analysis might be very difficult)
[23:26] <marcushh777> yup
[23:27] <marcushh777> you should be a 'little' paranoid, but not overly... I mean, the only secure system is the system that is unplugged and powered off
[23:27] <marcushh777> ... but just because you're paranoid, does not mean they aren't out to get you ! ;)
[23:27] <marcushh777> but common man, who the hell wants to break into a raspberry pi ?
[23:28] <marcushh777> well... every single botnet in the world if you open its port 22 to the outside Internet !!!
[23:29] <marcushh777> ... seriously its a fun experiment... you can watch your system get hit hundreds of times a minute from all over the earth
[23:29] <RaspberrySec> Of course that's right - And that's one of the reasons why systems like Raspberry fascinate me: One can surely exploit Raspbian by many ways, but it doesn't contain any patchable firmware component. In my opinion patchable firmware is the worst vulnerability of modern computer systems.
[23:30] <marcushh777> ... and, you can control iptables with raspbian as in any unix system... you can slow a botnet attack to a crawl by automatically block ip address that make more than tree attemps in 30 seconds, for instance... it just stops botnets in their tracks
[23:31] <RaspberrySec> Especially x86 based systems with PCI firmware, ACPI and all kind of other firmware components.
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[23:31] <marcushh777> .. and the cool thing about the PI is that all you have to do is pop the SD cared, flash it, and you're up again in 10 minutes.
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[23:31] <RaspberrySec> Exactly
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[23:32] <marcushh777> I don't even screw around with desktop computers any more...
[23:32] <marcushh777> iddy bitty machines ibm
[23:33] <marcushh777> PIs and PineA64, and Arduinos...
[23:33] <marcushh777> Odroid, and Android...
[23:33] <marcushh777> and about 45 SD cards...
[23:33] <marcushh777> laying around everywhere
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[23:33] <marcushh777> :D heh
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[23:35] <RaspberrySec> A possible source of vulnerability regarding the Raspberry would be that you have to download the image and put it on the SD card in the first place. Probably not to be taken seriously in most cases, but it should just be kept in mind.
[23:35] <marcushh777> holy cow, I just ran netstat -a on my system and piped it through wc... 456 lines of port numbers
[23:36] <marcushh777> all normal
[23:37] <marcushh777> well, yeah, if you don't trust at some level you can't play... but, if there were an image problem, how long would it take the community to find it... not long
[23:37] <marcushh777> and again, if I run into a bad image... pop the card... pop in the backup card... keep flying
[23:38] <marcushh777> the days of having a powned (screwed) desktop hard-drive are over,mostly)
[23:39] <marcushh777> and also, the days of microsoft images that are by the millions identical in memory are for the most part over also...
[23:39] <marcushh777> every unique compiled kernel footprint is , well, unique...
[23:40] <marcushh777> and its damned hard to propagate a virus in the wild on unix based systems... just damned near impossible... so much work it isn't work it on Raspberry PIs.
[23:41] <marcushh777> <sign>
[23:41] <RaspberrySec> It really depends on which level of security one needs (I don't want to sound paranoid, I just think it's a quiet interesting topic)
[23:42] <RaspberrySec> Probably you know what malicious firmware is able to do on x86 based systems
[23:43] <RaspberrySec> Including the ability to compromise Windows (what a surprise), Linux and even BSD based systems
[23:43] <marcushh777> I got rid of most of my x86 systems... I have my mac mini... I have my HP notebook, and my iMac... I have not used Windows for anything since 1998...
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[23:44] <marcushh777> my plethora of iddy bitty machines are all arm32 and arm64... running either raspbian or debian, or ubunut...
[23:45] <marcushh777> my most recent is the PineA64 running arm64 bit debian... planning a whole tower of those things beowulf cluster
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[23:45] <marcushh777> I'm done with x86 based machines, and I'm certainly done with windows...
[23:45] <marcushh777> completely done with window
[23:45] <marcushh777> s
[23:46] <marcushh777> :D
[23:47] <RaspberrySec> As far as I got to know from people who know what they are talking about, it's even possible to make a network device running on default firmware, fall into 'maintenance mode' by sending the appropriate packages - And from that point on not just your network device's firmware can get patched, but other firmware components as well, so you're screwed just by remote access
[23:49] <RaspberrySec> QubesOS might be a protection against that, but I wouldn't be sure even about that. This whole 'patchable firmware' complex is just as secure as Windows 3.1.
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