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[0:28] <peerce> i'm running raspbian on a pi3 thats on 24/7, from a sd card, I'd like to minimize SD card writes. I've got the main application, WeeWx, logging to a mysql database in a jail on my FreeNAS. I guess it makes sense to setup a remote syslog ?
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[0:35] <pragmatism> peerce I disagree. It makes sense to minimize writes to local syslog, but you don
[0:36] <pragmatism> 't want to remove it entirely. Otherwise, in the case of a loss of connectivity to the Pi and a system error, you'll have no evidence with which to debug/
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[0:43] <peerce> pragmatism; true. the app its running, weewx, writes a bunch of entries to /var/log/syslog every 5 minutes, I guess I should stop that.
[0:44] <pragmatism> yeah
[0:44] <pragmatism> Also, buy the best SD cards you can, obviously.
[0:44] <peerce> its a fresh sandisk extreme microsd
[0:44] <peerce> 32gb or something
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[0:47] <pragmatism> Nice
[0:47] <pragmatism> I haven't had any fail.... yet.
[0:47] <pragmatism> I know it's going to happen eventually
[0:47] <pragmatism> It's going to be a customer support nightmare.
[0:47] <peerce> my freenas has been running off a mirrored pair of usb sticks for 2-3 years now :)
[0:47] <pragmatism> Nice
[0:48] <peerce> but its running a nanoBSD that uses ramdisk for stuff and only very occasionally flushes. and anything important is on the zfs raid
[0:48] <peerce> which is 4x3TB HD's
[0:49] <pragmatism> Nice
[0:49] <pragmatism> Any issues with nanoBSD?
[0:49] <peerce> freenas is rock solid
[0:49] <pragmatism> I haven't used anything but Raspbian on the Pi.
[0:49] <peerce> thats on a hp microserver not a pi
[0:50] <pragmatism> Gotcha
[0:50] <pragmatism> Yeah, I'm really curious about the longevity of the hardware.
[0:50] <pragmatism> I've got it in client machines I would like to see live about 5 years.
[0:50] <pragmatism> before needing replacement tech, I mean, not replacing the entire unit.
[0:51] <pragmatism> So far, pretty stable.
[0:51] <peerce> i'm also running a pfsense firewall/router on a apu1d4 board, thats bsd based too
[0:51] <pragmatism> Some more than others, which is really disconcertng sometimes
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[0:51] <peerce> but I put a 60gb mSATA ssd in that one for the boot device
[0:51] <pragmatism> Whoa! That's cool.
[0:51] <peerce> [i brought it up initially on a sd card, then switched so I could have more logging and stuff]
[0:51] <peerce> thats been running like 3 years with zero glitches
[0:52] <peerce> i've upgraded to the latest pfsense each time one comes out
[0:52] <pragmatism> Right on, okay
[0:52] <pragmatism> I don't think the Pi can boot off anything but an SD card.
[0:52] <peerce> but I don't load it up with plugins and fancy stuff, its just a solid basic router
[0:52] <pragmatism> I've considered switching to a different platform, but haven't had enough experience to be comfortable with others.
[0:52] <pragmatism> yeah
[0:52] <pragmatism> totally
[0:53] <peerce> the APU uses about the same power as the pi, hah, and has 3 ethernet ports, mSATA, 2 mPCI-e slots, on a 5" square
[0:53] <peerce> but its x86
[0:53] <pragmatism> that's fine
[0:53] <pragmatism> it's also like
[0:53] <peerce> some AMD neo.
[0:53] <pragmatism> 5x the cost per unit
[0:53] <pragmatism> But then again, that's a wayyyyyy more solid board.
[0:53] <peerce> runs on a 12V wallwart, uses 5-7 watts, yeah, its $200-in-a-box, vs ~$50
[0:53] <pragmatism> Word, that's really not bad.
[0:54] <peerce> apu1d4 has been superseded by the apu2c4, faster cpu, better NICs, otherwise similar. google "apu2c4 kit" for best deal.
[0:54] <peerce> the apu1 has crappy realtek nics
[0:55] <peerce> the apu2 has intel e1000's
[0:55] <pragmatism> word, will do.
[0:55] <peerce> apu also has serial console. apu2 has a serial-usb chip on board, so you plug into it with a usb cable to get its console
[0:56] <peerce> apu1 has a actual db9 serial port
[0:56] <peerce> I jack it into the NAS box next to it, ssh to the nas box and minicom to the router
[0:57] <peerce> or tip, actually, not minicom
[0:58] <Guest48932> I have a Raspberry Pi- running XCFe Debian and I lost my desktop , it's just gray. panel works and menus,, also get error when selecting Settings-Display
[0:59] <Guest48932> when clicking on Display I get ; Unable to start Xfce Display Settings
[0:59] <Guest48932> unable to query the version of the RandR extension being used
[0:59] <Guest48932> it works fine when running on HDMI
[0:59] <Guest48932> or vncserver :2 and higher
[1:00] <Guest48932> problem with is only with first vnc session
[1:00] <Guest48932> :1
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[1:11] <pragmatism> No idea.
[1:12] <pragmatism> Most people here are idling and saw your post a while ago, I think
[1:12] <pragmatism> Might be best to try a channel more related to the software you're troubleshooting?
[1:12] <pragmatism> specific software*
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[1:18] <Guest48932> its fro X11
[1:18] <Guest48932> for
[1:18] <Guest48932> WM
[1:18] <peerce> i hate x, its such a cobbled up mess.
[1:19] <Guest48932> Ya, will back up my SD and install lxde
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[1:25] <peerce> i'd just use another, screw backup :D
[1:25] <peerce> the 'backup' is the original chip in your drawer.
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[1:45] <Guest48932> ya, they are cheap enough
[1:46] <redrabbit> hi
[1:46] <redrabbit> is there a way to know power draw from the pi with a command ?
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[2:29] <pragmatism> redrabbit don't think so
[2:30] <redrabbit> allright
[2:30] <redrabbit> have to cut an usb cord and use the multimeter i guess
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[2:34] <pragmatism> +1
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[3:27] <machinaut> Looking for more info on the FAT loader thats builtin to the 3. Does it look for an MBR? Is it possible to have a 16GB FAT and a 48 GB exFAT on the same SD Card?
[3:31] <machinaut> relatedly, is there a technical manual or datasheet for the rpi?
[3:32] <plugwash> to your second question, not really.
[3:34] <plugwash> it expects a MBR style partition tables and it expects the first partition to be FAT, it doesn't care about the other partitions
[3:35] <machinaut> That surprises me given how much it seems to be about being "open" and "open source"
[3:35] <machinaut> Maybe its just buried in a website somewhere that its hard to find?
[3:37] <plugwash> Theres lots of bits and peices out there but no comprehensive documentation :(
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[3:39] <Gowtham> hi this is gowtham
[3:40] <Gowtham> i have a doubt regarding raspberry pi jessie OS
[3:41] <Gowtham> I am trying to connect with my bluetooth headset BS19C and my raspberry pi using pulseaudio
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[3:43] <BurtReynolds> Does anyone know if there is a command line only setup for raspberry pi? like something with irc, music, email etc
[3:43] <BurtReynolds> I just want to mess with a command line only setup for fun
[3:44] <chisight> yes, all of those are available command line only.
[3:45] <chisight> irc is weechat, music is aplay, email is pine. of course there are many other choices too.
[3:45] <chisight> if you're going to use command line, i suggest you learn tmux BurtReynolds
[3:46] <BurtReynolds> I'll check out tmux, I've messed with the others back in the day I setup a freebsd box to run command line only
[3:47] <Gowtham> @BurtReynolds
[3:47] <Gowtham> can you help me with my query
[3:47] <BurtReynolds> I dunno :D
[3:47] <Gowtham> okay thanks
[3:49] <chisight> Gowtham: unfortunately, i don't think it's straight forward to do that. there are tutorials but they're not basic.
[3:52] <Gowtham> i tried it and paired with my bluetooth device but not able to connect with it
[3:53] <Gowtham> i have checked raspberry pi forums and most of them say that it can be done in wheezy OS
[3:53] <Gowtham> But i am doing in jessie OS which is the latest of raspbian
[3:54] <chisight> you're going to have to google for a jessie bluetooth audio server that is recent. if it's a pi3, include that in your google.
[3:55] <chisight> each raspbian has a release date, hopefully you can find a tutorial that matches the one you installed.
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[3:55] <Gowtham> I included pi3 in google and have come to the above conclusion
[3:57] <chisight> ok. if you've drawn a conclusion then great.
[3:58] <machinaut> Woot! Found a single command line to format a 64GB card for NOOBS
[3:58] <Gowtham> no @chisight my conclusion is that In wheezy raspbain OS bluetooth device connects with the raspberry pi but in my jessie OS its not working i dont know how to proceed further
[3:59] <machinaut> `diskutil partitionDisk /dev/disk2 MBR "MS-DOS FAT32" NOOBS 16GB ExFAT DATA 0B`
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[3:59] <chisight> Gowtham: you proceed with google. you need a tutorial that covers your version of raspbian. a matching release date would be best, but one that is close may need only minor changes.
[4:00] <chisight> Gowtham: googling for wheezy will do you no good for recent versions of raspbian, they changed all of this completely when the pi3 came out.
[4:01] <Gowtham> oh Thanks chisight
[4:01] <machinaut> plugwash / others: even if there's no technical manual for the rpi, is there one available for the chip?
[4:02] <plugwash> not really, there is a document "bcm2835 arm perhiperals" which has some info but it falls way short of what I would call a full technical manual
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[4:09] <machinaut> Blarg. used to do ARM (Cortex-A family) bringup and kernel stuff, and a technical reference manual is almost required to be able to quickly diagnose/fix issues. I'd like figure out how to better use high-capacity SD cards but right now I'm stuck with trial-and-error.
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[4:13] <machinaut> I found the SD Card boot documentation: https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/blob/master/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/sdcard.md
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[7:57] <sic__> hello world
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[8:35] <BLaCK_Assassin> Hey guys
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[8:36] <BLaCK_Assassin> I am having a problem with my pi my android device in not being detect. I even checked dmesg
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[9:17] <sic__> any way to have gpio pin 1-2-4 (power pins) set to low on shutdown of raspbian but power still hooked to rpi?
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> sic__, the power pins are hardwired - there is no control over them.
[10:07] <sic__> yup just figured that out, guess ill have to use a transistor to some gpio to switch on and off :D
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> on a standard install, you can monitor the serial Tx pin - it will go low at the end of the shutdown/halt process.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> there are a few power systems that use that.
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[10:12] <sic__> interesting
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[10:56] <frodox> Hi all. Are there any way to search through irc-chat-logs ?
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[10:58] <lordievader> Grep?
[10:58] <lordievader> Or do you mean non-local logs?
[10:58] <frodox> lordievader, of course, I mean > This channel is logged - http://plugwash.raspbian.org/logs/
[10:59] <frodox> maybe I have already answered question..
[11:02] <QuickBrownFoch> ctrl-f in firefox
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[11:02] <lordievader> Wget mirror and then grep? Unless the site offers to search for you.
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[11:04] <frodox> lordievader, ou, yup. wget great idead!
[11:04] <frodox> *idea
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[11:15] <frodox> I have problems with audio-output. amixer cset numid=3 1 / raspi-config doesn't work (omxplayer plays through HDMI). Also volume control doesn't work. Also, 3 - numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='PCM Playback Route'. Is it correct? And what is for 4 other devices? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/507360/81886936/
[11:19] <frodox> And LXDE sound-icon chooser shows it uses Analog. But it uses hdmi actually
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[12:10] <frodox> Any one?
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[12:19] <xrash> omxplayer runs my mp4 videos smoothly, but the same videos lag a lot when ran through any browser (using the html5 video element). Chromium has the best performance I could get, but it still stutters. I believe omxplayer is just optimized to use the GPU while chromium is decoding everything using the CPU. Can anyone help me to confirm that and/or to solve it?
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[12:23] <binaryhermit> I'm pretty sure you're right
[12:23] <binaryhermit> well, not quite
[12:23] <binaryhermit> omxplayer uses the hardware decoding capabilities of the chipset
[12:24] <binaryhermit> which might technically be part of the GPU? I'm not 100% sure
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[12:31] <xrash> i see
[12:34] <frodox> Are there any known player that uses hw-accel a log (so, without lags) except omxplayer?
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[12:36] <xrash> im also looking for that
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[12:39] <frodox> How/where can I add linux boot options ? I want to add consoleblank=0 to prevent screen from blanking
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[12:43] <shiftplusone> /boot/cmdline.txt
[12:44] <frodox> shiftplusone, thankx!
[12:49] <frodox> How to show desktop after `tvservice -p` ? hdmi-monitor goes power on, but screen is black/blank even after mouse/keyboard, until I switch tty to 1 and back ?
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[12:51] <frodox> But if I start omxplayer - it appears in fullscreen
[12:52] <frodox> kill it - black screen again
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[12:57] <shiftplusone> Don't remember... there was something to refresh the framebuffer, I think
[12:58] <Jusii> fbset -xres $W -yres $H and then the chvt thing after that
[12:58] <Jusii> that's what we need to do
[12:58] <Jusii> W and H are the resolutions ofcourse
[12:59] <Jusii> http://pastebin.com/uvibGiFZ
[13:00] <Jusii> vt 7 is our default for output
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[13:13] <JumpY> Hi. Are there any changes with dev rules from an old raspbian to jessie? I had udev rules set to physical USB Ports for same devices, but it don't work with the ne jessie..
[13:14] <shiftplusone> what do the rules look like?
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[13:16] <JumpY> KERNEL=="ttyUSB?", KERNELS=="1-1.2", NAME="USB1" <-- That was the old running rule
[13:16] <JumpY> So it should only detect the USB Kernel 1-1.2 (Top USB near LAN)
[13:18] <JumpY> I tried KERNELS=="1-1.2:1.0" aswell, no changes
[13:19] <shiftplusone> Off the top of my head, I don't see why that wouldn't work, but my next step would be using the awkward tools to monitor udev events and all that.
[13:19] <JumpY> Okay, I don't know these tooles, I will look at it
[13:20] <JumpY> But I only need to copy my udev data in etc\udev\rules.d, correct? My filename is 70-usb-ttl-custom.rules , this should work or must I do some other settings before?
[13:22] <JumpY> http://pastebin.com/98m9qgA8 <-- This is my udev monitor while plugging in the USB
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[13:29] <frodox> Jusii, shiftplusone thank you very much! This magic works! :D
[13:29] <Jusii> excellent
[13:32] <frodox> Jusii, will it (and tvservice) affects only hdmi-monitor, or TFT-Display too (if connected)
[13:33] <Jusii> not sure about that
[13:34] <Jusii> worked with hdmi mostly
[13:35] <frodox> Jusii, it is fine (I do not need to affect extra-TFT-display)
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[13:56] <JumpY> So noone has any idea?
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[14:10] <DexterF> do microSD cards have wear leveling? if not: I heard the Pi3 can boot from USB - true?
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[15:24] <DexterF> sdcard solved: might, might not, sdcards suck. I hope Pi4 will boot from USB.
[15:24] <DexterF> other question: I can't have a boot screen, I followed http://www.raspberry-projects.com/pi/pi-operating-systems/raspbian/custom-boot-up-screen
[15:24] <DexterF> but still no cigar when booting. is there a better method yet for jessie on Pi3?
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[15:28] <shiftplusone> DexterF: the newer images comes with a splash screen by default, you can just change the image.
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[15:37] <unitypunk> hey guys, i followed this guide (http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot) and replaces eth0 with wlan0. so my pi can connect wirelessly, and creates its own hotspot/subnet. is there a way i can make it forward eth0 aswell as wlan0 to wlan1?
[15:38] <unitypunk> there are times i want to have wlan0 do other things, but i would like the PI and the subnet to stay connected
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[15:42] <DexterF> shiftplusone, how new is "newer"?
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[18:45] <Gowtham_> Hi
[18:46] <Gowtham_> is wheezy OS compatible with raspberry pi 3
[18:46] <Gowtham_> ?
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[18:46] <Drakeling> Hi all! I need your help.
[18:47] <Gowtham_> what help@DrKWLING
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> Gowtham_, you can run Wheezy on a Pi v3, but it's tricky - you need a v2 to install it in, then do a full upgrade then it ought to work in the v3.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Gowtham_, maybe easiest to get jessie though.
[18:48] <Drakeling> My raspbian don't save keyboard layout (i need ru/us). I read many guides, but they all don't work and outdated (2013).
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Drakeling, use sudo raspi-config
[18:49] <Drakeling> I made localisation on russian, but it don't work.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> it should, but I've never used it as I'm in the UK with standard pc-104 type keyboards ...
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> the timezone change works though.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> you could always google for how to do it in Debian - it will be the same on the Pi.
[18:50] <Gowtham_> @gordonDrogon I am trying to connect a bluetooth device with my pi 3(JESSIE OS).But its not working
[18:50] <Drakeling> Nope, that problem is specific on Raspbian with PIXEL.
[18:51] <Gowtham_> many forums say that there is a bug with jessie os for bluetooth functionality
[18:51] <Gowtham_> is it true?
[18:52] <Drakeling> Nope, i use simple keyboard.
[18:52] <Drakeling> Now i have raspberry behing my netbook with vnc connection with autostarting (vino).
[18:52] <Drakeling> I tried used english locale and make russian layout with raspi-config, and reboot.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> Gowtham_, I've never used bt, no ideas, sorry.
[18:53] <Gowtham_> oh thanks gordondrogon
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> you don't have to use pixel, but if there is an issue with it, reporting it on the forums might be a good way forward..
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> (I don't use pixel)
[18:54] <Drakeling> Don't work. I reinstalled raspbian many times and sometimes i founded right solving.
[18:55] <Drakeling> I heared many tips and warnings, with upgrade, for example. What do you think about upgrading effect on keyboard layout settings?
[18:57] <Gowtham_> does noobs support bluetooth on raspberry pi?
[18:57] <Gowtham_> and is it compatible with pi 3
[18:57] <Gowtham_> ?
[18:58] <Drakeling> Yep. But i don't use bluetooth. It's not keyboard.
[18:59] <Gowtham_> so noobs is compatible with pi 3 right?
[18:59] <Drakeling> Yep. I'd installed raspbian with NOOBS.
[19:00] <Gowtham_> thanks
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> if you want raspbian, I'd skip the noobs step.
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[19:04] <Drakeling> Do you think that this bug is on noob's fault?
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> I couldn't say.
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[19:06] <Drakeling> what is setxkbmap options? I read guide with .xsessionrc, and i think i need it connect with that option.
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[19:09] <Drakeling> Internet says "Update: Changing XKBLAYOUT to "se" doesn't work. And internationalization in raspi-config doesn't either."
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[20:17] <Raspberry> hello
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[21:02] <redrabbit> hi
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[22:34] <niklas_e> is there any howto to config dovecot for raspbian?
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> just look for any Debian guide - it'll be identical.
[22:47] <niklas_e> ok, thanks
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